User:Woozle/debate/progressive conservatism

About
This is a debate map of an ongoing discussion (in the comments) between me and "Mike at The Big Stick", a.k.a. "Progressive Conservative". I take a viewpoint which I tentatively call "rational liberalism".

This mapping is not complete.           

Debate
here appropriate, statements are prefixed by their author's initial:
 * = Mike
 * = Woozle
 * [added] indicates that the comment was not in the original debate on ETEV. (I have only noted this in the red/blue sections, where the mapping is more to show the back-and-forth between participants; where the mapping is about the debate's factual structure, I haven't tried to indicate which bits were added.)

Progressivism
We partly agreed on the question of what "progressivism" means; I've shaded Mike's points red and mine blue:
 * see below
 * (agreed)
 * see below
 * (agreed)
 * see below
 * (agreed)
 * (agreed)

Differences
Differences between conservatism and liberalism, especially within the context of "progressivism".

Rational Liberalism
Points in favor of liberalism or against conservatism. All initial points are Woozle's.
 * It's almost impossible to defend against this sort of pot-shot debate tactic, because the best defense against nonspecific criticism is to show how the idea in question is better than the alternatives -- and if a critic won't come out and say which alternatives they actually prefer, then they're safe from any return criticism (regardless of whether their ideas actually have any merit).

Progressive Conservatism
Points in favor of conservatism or against liberalism. All initial points are Mike's.