Thread:Talk:Bill Clinton vs. George W. Bush/Children did die under Clinton/reply

The claim being argued against here can be more precisely phrased as: Clinton's lies did not result in any deaths.

The counter-claims here (in support of the idea that "Yes, Clinton's lies did in fact result in deaths") seem to be:
 * 1) Clinton lied about WMDs.
 * 2) Operation Desert Fox was an attempt to distract attention from Clinton's bad behavior.
 * 3) Clinton lied under oath.
 * 4) Clinton's lying under oath was illegal.
 * 5) Clinton's withholding of evidence in the Lewinsky case:
 * 6) * was an attempt to impede the process of law
 * 7) * forced Lewinksy to submit a false affadavit.
 * 8) * allowed Clinton to prolong his own testimony in Jones vs. Clinton.
 * 9) Clinton's relationship with Lewinsky proves that he had a past of extramarital affairs.
 * 10) Clinton's history of extramarital affairs was crucial evidence for Jones.

Addressing these claims in order:
 * 1) To the best of my recollection, Clinton never claimed there were WMDs or used the existence of WMDs as justification for initiating hostilities. Is there evidence that he did?
 * 2) Two responses to this:
 * 3) * The same people who made this claim at the time later claimed he wasn't serious about going after Osama.
 * 4) * Who cares about his stupid extramarital affairs? That was the distraction -- initiated by the Republicans and spearheaded by Newt Gingrich, hypocrite supreme -- who was having an affair while one of his three wives was in the hospital dying of cancer. Meanwhile, Bill has remained loyal to Hillary -- and she to him -- despite his indescretions; their marriage should be the envy of every "pro-marriage" conservative, not a target for derision. They have absolutely no business criticizing him on that issue -- and even if they had firm moral ground to stand on, it's irrelevant to the proper running of a country; see this discussion for more.
 * 5) His lying under oath was entirely related to his extramarital affairs, from which no deaths resulted.
 * 6) This does not support the claim that Clinton's lies resulted in deaths.
 * 7) Neither does this.
 * 8) Neither does this.
 * 9) Neither does this.

I'm not sure what rational point, if any, the last four items are intended to support; they certainly don't have anything to do with the claim that Clinton's lying (which was entirely about his personal life) resulted in deaths.