2008 sacred wafer scandal
From Issuepedia
Also known as: Crackergate, Wafergate, Wafer Madness
Contents |
[edit] Overview
- /facts: the facts which are not in dispute
- discussion
- /Catholic League: their position, with analysis
- /John Pieret vs. Woozle: attempt to map out a very long, tangled dialogue
[edit] conclusions
The Catholic Church, by its failure in this matter to rebuke those behaving poorly in its name or in its defense – especially those who claimed that Cook's act was "worse than a hate crime" – has merely sealed the coffin of its moral authority, already decimated by its indefensible stances on assisted suicide, contraception, and other issues. --Woozle 14:43, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Links
[edit] Filed
[refresh]
- 2009-07-01 :more:talk: I was wondering about that § “The focus of his ire? Crackergate. He regards destroying a sacred symbol to be inflammatory and obnoxious, completely ignoring the insanity it exposed. That insanity – and I am not using that word casually – is what Mooney thinks the spokespeople for science in our country ought to treat deferentially.” more...
- 2008-07-26 :more:talk: He's Just a Frackin' Adolescent Ass § “There are dozens of reasons to criticize the behavior of that blogger, perhaps the most salient of which is that it's never OK to gratuitously attempt to hurt the feelings of large groups of people, with no other reasonable end but to hurt their feelings, but I think the most tragic consequence of said blogger's behavior is that it pretty much cuts off any discussion of the real issues, and diverts the attention to him.” more...
- 2008-07-24 :more:talk: The Great Desecration § “I wonder how many of our Catholic friends have heard of the Fourth Lateran Council of 1215? This is the event where many of their important dogmas were codified, including the ideas of Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus, that the Eucharist was the sacrament that only properly ordained priests of the Catholic church could give, and that the Jews were a pariah people, who could hold no public office, had to pay a special Jew tax for their right to exist, and were required to wear special clothing to distinguish them from Christians.” more...
- 2008-07-24_P._Z._Myers_Must_Be_Fired
- 2008-07-24 :more:talk: Myers Desecrates the Eucharist § “It is important for Catholics to know that the University of Minnesota will not tolerate the deliberate destruction of the Eucharist by one of its faculty. Just as African Americans would not tolerate the burning of a cross, and Jews would not tolerate the display of swastikas, Catholics will not tolerate the desecration of the Eucharist.” more...
- 2008-07-24_August_2008_is_Officially_Pray_for_PZ_Myers_Month
- 2008-07-24_Anti-Catholicism_Finds_a_Home_at_University_of_Minnesota
- 2008-07-23_No_action_to_be_taken_against_professor_who_threatened_to_desecrate_Eucharist,_university_says
- 2008-07-23_Concerning_Eucharistic_Desecration
- 2008-07-17_Unrepentant_science-heathen_PZ_Myers_still_intends_to_prove_cracker_is_nothing
- 2008-07-16_AlQueerda_Communique_No._1
- 2008-07-15_Read_what_those_caring,_kind_and_loving_Catholics_want_to_do_now!
- 2008-07-14_Sullivan_on_PZ's_Sacrilege_Threat
- 2008-07-13_UCF_Catholic_Group_Faces_Hazing_Charges_For_Protecting_Body_Of_Christ
- 2008-07-11 :more:talk: Can this possibly get more insane? § “The Catholic League ... accuses me and my ilk (that's you, fair readers) of hysteria while making this hysterical declaration...” in which League president Bill Donohue asks for increased security at the 2008 Republican National Convention in Minneapolis due to concerns stemming from the presence of the deranged, slobbering, cracker-desecrating PZ Myers a mere 150 miles away in Morris. more...
- 2008-07-10_Letter_to_An_Administrator
- 2008-07-08 :more:talk: IT'S A FRACKIN' CRACKER! § “Wait, what? Holding a cracker hostage is now a hate crime? The murder of Matthew Shephard was a hate crime. The murder of James Byrd Jr. was a hate crime. This is a goddamned cracker. Can you possibly diminish the abuse of real human beings any further? more...
- 2008-07-06 :more:talk: Student Holds Eucharist Hostage § “Webster Cook is a student at the University of Central Florida. He is also a top notch jerk.” more...
- 2008-07-05 :more:talk: 'Body Of Christ' Snatched From Church, Held Hostage By UCF Student § “A University of Central Florida student, upset [that] religious groups hold church services on public campuses” thereby violating separation of church and state, “is holding hostage the Eucharist, an object so sacred to Catholics [that] they call it the Body of Christ.” more...
[edit] Timeline
Some of these links have been filed, but not all
- 2008-07-08 IT'S A FRACKIN’ CRACKER!: PZ asks for more samples of the Host upon which to commit sacrilege and thereby somehow threaten the Catholic faith with a fate worse than death; PZ shuts down the comments at #1007 in order to reduce load on the server, but posts "fresh crackers!" specifically for further comments.
- 2008-07-10
- Fight back against Bill Donohue!: The president of the Catholic League is putting pressure on both the UMM and the State of Minnesota to "do something" about this horrible desecration, regarding which it is apparently "hard to think of anything more vile". o.0 Comments are shut down at #1227, and "Internet getting full" is opened for further comments.
- Fresh crackers!: 579 comments as of this writing
- Commentary: It Gets Me! "So Bill Donohue, bumbling idiot, decides to go after my favorite blogger, all-around nice guy (except to religion!), and professor PZ Myers... ...For a cracker." Author admits to having abducted not one but two communion wafers without eating them.
- Letters of support for PZ:
- 2008-07-11
- Internet getting full, here's a new hole to dump comments into: only 156 comments as of this writing
- Can this possibly get more insane?: The Catholic League issues another press release disparaging evolution as the "King Kong Theory of Creation" and calling for increased safety at the Republican National Convention in Minneapolis, in view of their fear for the safety of attending Catholics so close to where Myers lives. Remember which side was issuing the death threats as you enter the Catholic annex of... The neocon reality inversion.
- I get email — special cracker edition!: a sampling of email PZ has received regarding this incident
- Interestingly, the link to Pharyngula has now (2008-07-11) disappeared from PZ's listing at UMM's biology faculty page. This would seem to be UMM's only link to it; is UMM responding to pressure?
- Commentary: It Gets Me! (Part II) "Bill Donohue continues on his anti-science, anti-PZ tirade with this new statement from the Catholic League. Of course, PZ, being awesome as he is, has already noted their response and torn it to shreds..."
- Commentary: Solidarity! by Tim Shortell, himself the past victim of anti-atheist sentiment
- 2008-07-12
- Commentary: Dispatches from the Culture Wars (Ed Brayton)
- Commentary: En Tequila Es Verdad
- Commentary: Majikthise believes PZ's request for wafers to desecrate was intended as a joke
- Woozle responds, as do many others
- FYI: the sock-puppetry of the defenders of Catholic outrage stands revealed
- Commentary: Dispatches from the Culture Wars (Ed Brayton)
- 2008-07-13: Mail dump: PZ posts a couple of insanely vile hate emails he recieved, along with full headers. The Pharyngulites go to work and are able to track down substantial identifying information on both of them.
- 2008-07-14: Letter of support for PZ: En Tequila. Key point: people are more important than symbols.
Reference: Support PZ blog
